Is gay marriage extremely important to you?
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I rest my case! Anger and ignorance are our enemies on this issue.
What does that have to do with rights?
It has to do with equal rights…but if you are not black living in America(which you are not) you wouldn't understand the stigma still attached to a skin color(gay or not).
Again, what does stigma have to do with rights? Are there laws saying that there are things you're not allowed to do because you're black?
That's because you aren't qualified.
There is now law that says you have to be a woman to work at a strip club!
And women aren't qualified to be male strippers. And neither of these points have anything to do with same sex marriage.
Again no rule against it.
Let me put it this way. Would a gay porn studio be making gay porn if their movies had men and women having sex in them? A strip club for straight males is going to need to hire employees that appeal to straight males. They're protected by the law to be able to do that. To be qualified for the job of a stripper at a strip club for straight males, you have to be a woman. There is no law against hiring men to do it, but why would they?
What this has to do with gay marriage is that there is no law keeping gays from being "married"(in America at least), There's just no law to ensure it.
… Yes there is, in most of the country.
I believe if we are to be treated equally we as the gay community have to change the perception that all we are is a bunch on horny men looking for sex where we can get it.
And what better way to do that than to show that gays are as capable of making real commitments to each other as straight people?
Roto13 you missed a quote of mine… the mose important one.
@cumeaternc:For those of you who do, I hope you get the benefits and recognition you so rightfully desire.
I didn't miss it, I just didn't need to reply to it because it's the one part of your post that isn't an ignorant strawman argument.
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I'm done with this topic! Like all those who employ a prejudice, they will NEVER subcribe to any reasonable diiscussion. Roto13 have a nice life and I hope you get eveything you deserve(and desire) in life. Don't expect a reponse because I know it won't get through your deep rooted beliefs that someday everyone will embrace us as being gay. At least as gay men we can make an effort to conform when we have to. You can't hide being black. You can say they are not related but until you can relate to my great grandparents who felt the sting of a slaveowners whip. Or until you are forced to the back of a bus because your different I don't want to hear about how unfair it is for us to be gay. I'm pretty sure noone ask me if I wanted to be black or be gay when I was born but that's what I am. That's life…Deal with it. Don't allow bitterness to consume you because life isn't fair. Take Care.
Brandon
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Don't expect a reponse because I know it won't get through your deep rooted beliefs that someday everyone will embrace us as being gay.
I'm pretty sure this confirms that you have no idea what's going on. You act like just because racism hasn't been abolished in 40 years, there's no hope for anyone anywhere. You also seem to be under the impression that if you can't convince 100% of the population to be accepting, it's not worth trying.
At least as gay men we can make an effort to conform when we have to. You can't hide being black. You can say they are not related but until you can relate to my great grandparents who felt the sting of a slaveowners whip. Or until you are forced to the back of a bus because your different I don't want to hear about how unfair it is for us to be gay. I'm pretty sure noone ask me if I wanted to be black or be gay when I was born but that's what I am.
Enough strawmen. Why don't you actually talk about the issue at hand for once instead of dancing around it? If you want to be a martyr, go nail yourself to a cross. You'll get no sympathy from me. You're too out-of-touch to deserve it.
Don't allow bitterness to consume you because life isn't fair.
And now you're a hypocrite, too.
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US law says I cannot be denied a job due to race or gender but I have yet to land a job as a stripper at the local titty bar(strip club).
Hmm… How many times have you applied? Seriously. If the answer is 0, then you are discriminating against yourself! I would be impressed by 2 or above. Heck, even 1 would do it. How about posting your audition tape? :pleasant:
@cumeaternc:On the flip side of the coin, how many hot women have you seen working a pole at a local gay bar??? None(I hope) ;D So does that mean we as a gay community are prejudice against hetro women stripping for us…YES!
I'm not the best judge of "hot" women, but the local gay bar I used to visit the most had more rails than poles… it was also known for the best dance floor this side of Montreal. There was nobody at the door checking for your QueerCard either. Generally, at least 1/3 of the patrons, and 1/2 of the staff were people of the female persuasion, and one of the worst arguments was with the liquor control board, about people wanting to remove their shirts on hot days (or when they got overheated from dancing) although they allowed paid strippers at another bar, admittedly, in a different part of the city.
Having said all of that, there are some very nice looking guys working at the local "Hooters". I've got to check out their Wednesday wing night some time.
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:hug: also want to bundle their lives with their love (gay) regretfully people I met did not meet the requirements of my little love, more sex. And I keep searching forever in fatigue, will I ever find that person? What about marriage is a serious problem and not laws that also meet this, regretfully …
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I'm not exactly a huge fan of gay marriage, for some reason, I just don't believe in it.. However, it is important for us to share the same rights as any other citizen does.. If this is to be achieved only by "marriage" then so be it, otherwise, civil partnership would suffice.. We're just here for the rights aspect of it and not the whole walking down the isle to meet your other half and declare your sweet vows thing..
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I take the visitation rights pretty seriously. I want my boyfriend/husbear to be able to visit me if we happen to come across some emergency in the USA. They insist that "immediate family" only. Sheesh that news really irritated me when i heard about it (the lesbian woman denied access to her partner in a hospital and the partner died).
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First yes, gay marriage is important, and it is important because marriage is important. I think its important for people to realize that if you accept that same sex couple can enter the same union granted to heterosexual couples, then the gay/straight marriage is actually a false dichotomy. It's actually sad that "gay marriage" has even become a term. If this is really cause for equality, then we should really only be talking about marriage…no gay needed.
I think a better question is really about whether marriage is important? I think the answer is yes; it is important, but not for everyone. Ignoring the rights confer governmentally, the institution is really more of a binding trust between individuals. It's an agreement to stay together (for what ever reason the parties decide). The hassle is the point. Getting married in a way of agreeing to tie yourself to someone and knowingly facing greater difficulty to end relationships. I think theres quite a bit of sweetness in that.
I'm not sure if I'll ever get married of if I want to, but I do believe that marriage is perhaps one of the most significant promises a person can actually make to another. I'm stuck to you...legally!
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I wanted to know if any of you guys out there take gay marriage serious? I'm gay myself, but I think I don't need marriage to prove my love and commitment to another guy. If I had a partner and we both knew that we were spending the rest of our lives together, why go through the trouble of getting a marriage license or having a ceremony? What's your opinion on this?
I am male, gay and married so i think i will answer yes on that.
But seriusly its not all about love but also security, if something will happen to you are your loved one. If you are married you have legal rights like any stright couple. It makes me feal more secure and i love my husband. I am 30 and we have bean together for 10 years now, but only married 1 year.
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Personally, even if I was straight I don't think marriage is of personal importance. If two people are right for each other they'll stay together. A marriage certificate isn't going to change that. However, I think the right to marry is an important stepping stone to being treated as equals, as a precedent for future issues, for the satisfaction of those who choose to marry and to assuring benefits, etc., to our chosen family.
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Whoopi Goldberg puts it best when she said
If you don't like gay marriage, just don't marry a gay person!
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Personally, even if I was straight I don't think marriage is of personal importance. If two people are right for each other they'll stay together. A marriage certificate isn't going to change that. However, I think the right to marry is an important stepping stone to being treated as equals, as a precedent for future issues, for the satisfaction of those who choose to marry and to assuring benefits, etc., to our chosen family.
You don't see the 1,400+ rights granted under marriage in the US as important?
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A number of studies have been done (on straight people of course) but I don't know why they wouldn't mostly apply to Gay people. The argument always comes up that "marriage is just a piece of paper." This ignores the fact that most people see marriage as a permanent thing and plan accordingly. They generally intertwine themselves in a joint checking, joint savings, mortgage in both their names, children etc. Society blesses the union with a religious ceremony. Part of the attractiveness of living together is that it can be dissolved without a word, if one of the parties is of the mind to be so inconsiderate. Just move out. But more on living together….Each party keeps their own money, often spending it in ways which would likely not occur in the married/mortgage/save for the children's colllege fund scenario. For (stereotyped example) the nonmarried man can gamble on the horses to excess and the nonmarried woman can spend as much as she likes on clothes. As long as each comes up with their half of the rent, who can chastise the other? Living together is just a completely different mindset. In the married model, it forsees the road may be rough, people blow up, lose patience, but marriage gives them cause to 'give it one more shot' since dissolving is much more expensive and painful, emotionally, socially etc.
Of course there are always exceptions; some can live together in a committed state of unmarriedness and vice versa, but in general this makes sense to me.
Interestingly, in the documentary "Saving Marriage" - the married (Gay) couples gave many of the same arguments I've summarized above!
