Touchy around here: incorrect upload credit
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I know this subject is touchy around here. Anyone who brings it ends up getting slammed for broaching the subject….but here it is again.
The only way I'ver been able to survive on GT.RU is by making donations - upwards of $1000 total now. I lost my job around Christmas, so donations are no longer an option to help keep my share ratio up. So, between the 25th of December and today, Feb 24, I have been seeding at least 50 high demand torrents at a time - 24/7/365 (or 61 total days now). uTorrent indicates I have uploaded well over 2TB of content to GayTorrent.ru alone, yet I've been credited about 200GB. Now I KNOW by reading this forum that the uTorrent upload counter isn't so accurate...but by a factor of 10 (in your favor). That's just not real. What is real, is that the uTorrent Web Remote Control Panel indicates over 3.9TB of data was uploaded to GT.RU, and my Wi-Fi router's usage meter indicates nearly the same, which concurs with the monthly usage on my bill from my ISP during that time period - yet credit is only given for ~200GB. Something is wrong. I repeat something is wrong. I seriously doubt the uTorrent counter is THAT FAR OFF!
Now I realize that UL or DL torrents from other sites can mess with the uTorrent counter, but in this situation, I used a DEDICATED high-speed internet connection (my unused office internet connection, which had NO OTHER services or connections running other than GT.RU uTorrent uploads and download activity for 61 days, which ran 24/7, optimized with approiximately 50 high demand torrents seeding at all times at an average rate of between 400-650k. Now I'm no math expert, but that equates to a hell of a lot more than 200 GB UL, yet that is what I was given. Slomething just isn't right or fair about that. My ISPusage meter, router GB UL counter, and BOTH uTorrent counters (in app, ane via remote web control panel are all slightly different, but they all show I uploaded >1.5TB+ sine I started seeding non-stop 66+ days ago. It's just hard to believe that the uTorrent counter can be off by more than a factor of 10 (in your favor), and my ISP usage meter, and my wi-fi router usage meter are all ALSO OFF BY A FACTOR OF >10. Somethin's not right.
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Strange. According to the announcements received by the tracker, your current upload rate is about 197 KBytes/s and you've uploaded the last 1 day 17 hours and 30 minutes 39.03 GB, which is an average of 273 KBytes/s.
That is much more than you say our tracker does count, because 200 GB in 61 days means a daily upload of 3.3 GB or average of 39.8 KBytes/s only.
It might be good if you take screenshots of the numbers in your µTorrent now and 24 hours later and send them to our problems at gaytorrent point ru email.
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Great. What email address can I send the screenshots to? or is there some way of uploading a JPG to the appropriate help desk mod?
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problems at gaytorrent point ru
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I've been investigating your issue. However, I've run into a problem.
The last two items you have on your utorrent list - (1) "Gay - Workin Man Library 1" and (2) "Gay - Haze Him Library 5" (combined upload of 630 GB) are NOT torrents we have EVER hosted on GTRU. I'm an admin who has access to all current and past torrents and I don't find either one. Look on your profile page, they also are not included in your torrent seeding list.
So, the natural question is where exactly are you seeding your torrents, because they aren't all to ONLY GTRU, as you stated. I'm willing to bet you have other trackers added on a bunch of these torrents in your list that are uploading data to god only knows where. If you do this, you can likely figure out why your traffic to GTRU is lower than what you believe it to be.
Also, adding up all the upload traffic on your utorrent list picture, it comes to 1.1 TB. Just by identifying the bottom two torrents that are NOT being seeding on GTRU, this lowers it down to 470 GB. The remaining difference is likely due to your seeding elsewhere, rather than it being a tracker problem on GTRU, to which you have surmised.
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I KNEW when I started this thread that the subject would be 'TOUCHY" with certain mods [WHENEVER and WHOEVER happens to post on this subject in the forum - or by email reply]….and that continued to be the case, as you will see...but first my belated response to RIDDLER's reply...
AS per you March 11 reply.... Yes, I ADMIT, I MADE A MISTAKE...of those 200+ torrents I was seeding around the clock for the past three months - 5 of them (I found 3 more than the 2 you noted above) were in fact torrents from a different site. But even according to YOUR math that brought my upload total to 470GB (that number is only a small fraction of what I truly uploaded, but that would take much more space to explain). So let's stick to YOUR estimate of 470GB. During that three moneth period the upload credit added to my account was only 20 GB - which is my point...20 GB is nowhere near the 470 GB even your math indicated I uploaded.
It's now more than a month later, and I STILL never even got credit for any more than 20GB of that 470 GB total upload. 450 GB of uploading for NOTHING. I still have SERIOUS DOUBTS about the accuracy of the GT.RU "tracker" formula...even when you subtract the 5 torrents I accidentally included from another site I received credit for less than 5% of what I uploaded, and as you see later on in this thread I was berated for bringing this subject up and I was also alluded to be cheating on my uploading by that same mod.
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I thought this subject was valid and important so I wanted to keep this thread posted on the subject even as the line of communication turned to email responses between myself and the GT.RU Mod/management. I copied and pasted this thread into a HELPDESK email and included several screenshots of A) my uTorrent upuload panel, which clearly indicated about 10x more dedicated upload traffic to GT.RU than I received credit for, + B) a screen grab froun my router control panel indicating ~10x the amount of uploaded content to GT.ru than I received credit for + C) a scan of my billing / upload meter from my ISP for the specified period that also indicated 10x the upload traffic than I was credited for. This was all dedicated upload traffic to GT.ru during my 3 month 24/7 hundreds of torrent uploading spree between Chrstmas and mid march 2014. Here is the email reply I received from GT.RU mod RIDDLER with [my reply/comments in brackets].
GT.RU mod RIDDLER message to me from 03.12.2014:
My point was not in disputing your upload numbers [but you are strongly disputing my upload numbers - because I disputed your UPLOAD TRACKER metering alogorythm]. But as I showed you, you have been uploading to other sites _though you staunchly advocated otherwise in your initial communication _. One can seed a torrent to a multitude of other sites, but utorrent only records net upload activity {again, I was uploading 90% exclusively to GT.ru - the utorrent control panel screen grabs clearly show this fact]. How much upload occurred to which tracker is not reported in your torrent program [yes it is…I jsut checked the TRACKER on all 100 of my uploading torrents, and subtracted the traffic for those 5 torrents from the indicated total in the screen grabs of the u torrent control panel which still indicated 10x more upload than I was credited for]. You've obviously been uploading to other sites as well so how can it be said how much you've uploaded to GTRU and how much was uploaded to other sites from the same torrent? [no, I only uploaded to the TWO sites on a dedicated internet pipe used for nothing else - 90% of which was dedicated to uploading GT.RU torrent content, around the clock for 3 months, and the uTorrent control panel tells me exactly where, and how much uploadin went to what site - and the router control panel upload meter AND the UPLOAD meter on my bill from my ISP were all basically in agreement. The only thing that didn't agree is the GT.RU upload tracker meter that indicated crtedit for only 10% of what I had uploaded].
This is precisely why we go by our own tracker numbers, which, by the way, we don't manipulate to cheat against users.[now he's alluding to me as a "manipulator and cheating user" - nice! I told you this was a touch subject] However, we do have to contend with handfuls of users attempting to cheat against our tracker. [a secon accusation that I'm the one cheating - even though the GT.ru tracker is hading out 10% upload credit to users] Our tracker has been online and fully functional since at least back to last summer, [yeah, and that's when I started noticing a discrepency in the upload credit numbers] so there is no reason to believe it didn't record the amounts uploaded to our site accurately, […even though three different upload metering techiniques available to me all indicate 10x more traffic than users are credited for] especially over such a long period of time.
In this situation, typically a user will discover how they have been seeding to multiple trackers, not only GTRU, and realize their torrent program's upload count does not reflect what they actually uploaded to GTRU. Look at the tracker information for each torrent you've seeded and you'll likely discover the same. What I am trying to point out is that there is some explanation to your upload discrepancy that does not involve our tracker, which you are advocating is in error.
So, to be fair, uploading to other sites does not mean earned upload credit on GTRU, unless it's actually done to GTRU users and recorded on our tracker. _END of EMAIL REPLY from MOD RIDDLER on 03.11.2014
Final Thoughts on RIDDLERS 03,12,2014 (not very nice) response:
I'm definitely NOT CHEATING or MANIPULATING THE NUMBERS, they speak for themselves, I'm simply trying to imporove my ratio on GT.RU by uploading MANY high demand torrents (with many leechers and few seeders) around the clock non stop for several months in a row. I don't think it's unfair to request the appropriate credit for what was uploaded, and hopefully not get torn to shreds and accused of cheating and manipulating the numbers in doing so. I'm doing my part…I just want the credit for doing so...nothing more nothing less.___ -
A month has passed since I last wrote in about only receiving a fraction of credit for uploading and seeding torrent files back to GT.RU. I'll probably get my ass twon out of here for pursuing such a touch subject, but I think this problem still exists and it's being notice by myslef and other uploaders who continue to recive credit for a small fraction of what they acrtually uploaded.
During this past month since I last brought this subject up and promptly got my head ripped off and (*^& down my neck… I continued my non-stop 24/7 day after day uploading spree to bring my ratio up. Again, all the numbers indicate credit for only a small fraction of what was truly uploaded. A few examples of what my uTorrent activity control panel indicates the upload amount to be vs. the GT.RU upload meter indicated amount of uploaded content as indicated under my "seeding torrents"
GT.RU Torrent My uTorrent app indicated upload GT.RU indicated upload/credited
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 3 [Mixed Clip Composite] 11GB 1.12GB
Awesome Male Asses - Volume 1 [Rim Eat Fuck Admire] .738GB .071GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 3 [Mixed Clip Composite] 11.4GB 1.8GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 4 [Mixed Clip Composite] 6.6GB 1.7GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 6 [Mixed Clip Composite] 3.6GB .54 GB
♺ Treasure Island Media - Fuck Volume 3 (mp4) 10.8GB 1.9GB
M2MClub Bears (Mostly Bareback) 13GB 7.0GB
Stu and Tanner - SeanCody 7GB 3GB
♺ Treasure Island Media - Cum Whore (SD) 9GB 1.1GB
DudesRaw Collection 2010-2011 - 217 clips 63GB 41GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 2 [Mixed Clip Composite] 11.2GB 1.35GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 1 [Mixed Clip Composite] 9.5GB 1.5GB
tim tales 55GB 11.8GB
homan samson 20GB 9.6GB
Black Dudez butsin White Boy Butts w GIA-NORUMUS cocks] JPPC VOLUME 4 6GB 1.1GB
My Best Friends Dad.com(SiteRip) 50.3GB 9.9GB
Kept Secretxxx 6GB 4GB
Brendon Marley - Like em Straight Collection CORRECTED - JOINED PB 95GB 34GB
♺ Damn Hot Daddies playing wBoys Vol 5 [Mixed Clip Composite] 9GB 2GBTOTAL 387.14 GB 134.48 GB
Discrepency 252.66 GB of uncredited Uploading/Seeding [Figures taken at 15:22PST 04.14.2014]
Add on the 450 GB of missing upload credit as indicated above and in the uTorrent screen grabs sent to MOD Riddler = 702 GB TOtal Missing Upload Credit in 3 prior months
I'm not trying to be difficult, nor am I cheating or manipulating the numbers like RIddler so nicely alluded to. I JUST want to receive proper credit for the HUNDEREDS of torrents I've been uploading non-stop 24/7 for 4 months solid now. It's only fair.
Watch me get ripped to sheds or booted for bringing this up AGAIN] Peace guys, I just hope to get credit due for what was uploaded - and mabe get the GT.RU upload tracker checked out.
PS If anyone else has this problem, PLEASE SPEAK UP.
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First, let me declare I have no knowledge, inside or out, of the .ru tracker. I do know I wouldn't trust any figures given by uTorrent, whether it be amounts of data or people connected.
Second I do wonder why you have 100s of torrents seeding 24/7. Even if the .ru staff accepted your figures and added the disputed upload to your account, your ratio would go up from a very respectable 1.28 to a slightly higher 1.64.
So why not sit back and enjoy your downloads. Seed to around 1.0 for each download and then let someone else in to boost their ratio.
I hope no-one will bite my head off. Oh, and I didn't read any accusation of your cheating from the .ru staff, just the statement that some people do.
Maybe you would find it less stressful to use a site that has no minimum ratio policy
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Nowhere GayTorrent.ru is indicating upload numbers per torrent, longer than for a seeding session. That is a torrent being seeded continuously. Any interruption of that continuity on a torrent resets that session counter two zero. Therefore what you add up on your µTorrent numbers and compare with GayTorrent.ru numbers aren't comparable. they are different things. µTorrent shows you all time sum of all seeding (sessions) of a torrent since you added it. The GayTorrent.ru number is just the last session.
You have to compare the sum of µTorrent's GayTorrent.ru tracker torrent's numbers with the delta of your accounts totals over the same period:
For example since 2014-03-01 20:30 UTC and now 2014-04-14 22:45 UTC our tracker registered a delta of upload on your account of 0.53 TB or about 543 GB (2.49 TB - 1.96 TB)
If you look now in your Profile for the upload numbers per seeding torrents (last column "Upl."), you see the seeding over the last 5 hours 30 minutes only. I've checked that on the tracker.
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Just a PS from me. I wouldn't trust the figures given on my page under 'Currently seeding - Show seeding torrents'
First note that if you were the original poster it shows you as uploading nothing for that torrent - which is obviously silly. The original seeder (in almost all cases) must have uploaded at least the size of the file. I recognise that this is the way the software handles the original seeder's traffic. Other sites handle it in different ways
But I do have one seeding torrent that shows 195MB uploaded under my profile, but close to 900MB uploaded via uTorrent. And I rarely have more than a few torrents seeding and usually only on two sites and never the same file at the same time on different trackers.
Curious?
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Not "curious", those numbers are exactly the session based numbers which I mentioned. Each time you stop and restart seeding one of these torrents after a while, it restarts at zero. it is taken "directly" from the tracker, which knows only currently connected torrents information since last connection started.
All those information over all time are added up only into the members grand total "Uploaded" and "Downloaded", but not per torrent and user.
I've tested a lot the tracking in many different configurations (one torrent, multiple torrents, multiple IPs at same time, via VPN, …) and basically the GayTorrent.ru grand total change vs µTorrent numbers were the same to the significant digit rounding close.
Perhaps we should remove the "Upl." column from the seeding torrents in the Profile, because it creates only confusion?
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Sorry, Popper, I was being dumb.
I follow you now and have (inadvertently) tested it. I shut down uTorrent overnight and have just restarted it and the torrent which showed 195MB last night now shows zero but there has been no effect on my overall totals.
So your explanation is borne out.
The original poster says "I continued my non-stop 24/7 day after day". I was just wondering if there may have been some odd breaks which might get overlooked, a reboot, closing uTorrent, a reset, a break in internet connection. Nothing that one would class as a shut down of the computer but just enough of an interruption to reset the 'currently seeding' figure.
And your thought about deleting the U/L column is valid given that people who haven't followed this thread might think that was the figure credited to their ratio.
You may now :spank2: me for being thick in the first place :worship:
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Well it looks the topic opener had a shut off event 5 hours 30 minutes before I've looked last time to his tracker announces "live" picture (see my earlier post). All were reported to be active since 5 hours 29 minutes to 5 hours 31 minutes. However only he can tell that for sure and if it was the internet connection, the computer or the torrent client.
Our tracker needs reboots once a week or so, too. That has no influence to the tracked upload and download total as long as the torrent clients are not shut down that very reboot while (which takes only a few minutes) but kept running.
