VOYEUR Special Interest Group (SIG) Interest?
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While I find the Watersports SIG very interesting, it covers a very broad area. Based on torrents both uploaded and downloaded, there seems to be interest in voyeurism of various categories. I feel there is room for a VOYEUR SIG in which watersports as well as other, non-yello forms of the interest can be covered. Let me know what you think. If there's enough interest, I would be happy to suggest the SIG to staff. Thanks!
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This is a tricky question in that some areas on other sigs would be reduced somewhat. For example, a large part of the watersport sig involves voyeurism.
Right now we have little to no post to this effect save watersports.
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Voyeurism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn clinical psychology, voyeurism is the sexual interest in or practice of spying on people engaged in intimate behaviors, such as undressing, sexual activity, or other activity usually considered to be of a private nature.[1][2] In popular imagination the term is used in a more general sense to refer to someone who habitually observes others without their knowledge, with no necessary implication of sexual interest.
Voyeurism (from the French voyeur, "one who looks") can take several forms, but its principal characteristic is that the voyeur does not normally relate directly with the subject of their interest, who is often unaware of being observed.
To my way of thinking this mens spy cams and I am not sure how I feel about people being filmed with out their knowledge. Just a bit scary from a legal perspective. I would love to hear what mgr thinks about this subject and how it might affect the site in general. I know we have tons of torrents that are spy cam material but can we support a SIG from that base line would be my concern? Is there that much material available to devote a SIG to?
It is a popular subject whether we admit it or not we all like to watch when the watched is unaware.
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..and every now and then we discover that we're the one being watched, and enjoy that too.
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Voyeurism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn clinical psychology, voyeurism is the sexual interest in or practice of spying on people engaged in intimate behaviors, such as undressing, sexual activity, or other activity usually considered to be of a private nature.[1][2] In popular imagination the term is used in a more general sense to refer to someone who habitually observes others without their knowledge, with no necessary implication of sexual interest.
Voyeurism (from the French voyeur, "one who looks") can take several forms, but its principal characteristic is that the voyeur does not normally relate directly with the subject of their interest, who is often unaware of being observed.
To my way of thinking this mens spy cams and I am not sure how I feel about people being filmed with out their knowledge. Just a bit scary from a legal perspective. I would love to hear what mgr thinks about this subject and how it might affect the site in general. I know we have tons of torrents that are spy cam material but can we support a SIG from that base line would be my concern? Is there that much material available to devote a SIG to?
It is a popular subject whether we admit it or not we all like to watch when the watched is unaware.
The definition most quoted is from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV), currently in its 4th edition.
Leatherbear: Just curious if your concern regarding voyeurism is a personal dilemma or one of legal concern. (Both are/can be valid.)
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Legal and morality of filming people unaware and then possible side effects of the response to being filmed.
Simply ~ I would never want to be behind a suicide or the destruction of some ones life due to being filmed unaware and then finding it is now public domain. There are so many men on the DL it is a scary thing for me.
That being said I am a voyeur for sure ~ I do not seek these experiences but when they happen…..... OMFG!!
I voted for the all forms as well so............ I just am a worrier I guess............
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Perhaps I'm confused here, because a category of "voyeurism" is a little confusing to me and I'm curious to know more.
Anyone who loves porn is a voyeur in some respects. So I need to ask myself "what makes voyeurism porn different"? And if I think about it, then to me it is videos where you clearly see someone watching sex taking place. The 'classic' scene is two guys going at it, whilst another realises (or catches them) and starts jerking off at the door, without them realising and perhaps with them eventually realising.
But then it could be that amateur porn is voyeuristic because these are not actors but individuals recording themselves, perhaps originally for the intent of just one other (whoops, that cam4 video session made it onto a website? oh dear….). Ditto for gloryhole scenes.
So perhaps someone can explain this all a little clearer for me in the context of porn speciailly?
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From a "porn" standpoint I think voyeurism is more in line with "viewing a sex act without the participants knowledge". I don't consider watcing porn a type of voyeurism because in most cases the participants know they are bring filmed.
The 'classic' scene is two guys going at it, whilst another realises (or catches them) and starts jerking off at the door, without them realising and perhaps with them eventually realizing.
I think you are describing a staged scene here. I don't think I have come across any genuine amateur scenes that fit this description.
Getting back on point:
There are plenty of torrents to fit the bill of voyeurism but very little forum posts. stealfire(or any member for that matter) why not post some threads in the Porn, Erotica & Perversion forum(not related to watersports of course) to illustrate the type of content you are trying to generate interest in. If a sig is started we can move those posts over to it later.
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I would tend to agree with cumeaternc in the sense that perhaps starting something within the Porn, Erotica, Perversion board may be a better idea of how it would take flight before creating such a SIG. This way, we could get a gauge on how well the SIG would or would not work. Personally, I find the whole category to be a bit of a thriller, despite the potential "legal" side as leatherbear describes. I would be all for starting such a group.
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Hi Guys - now that I have been asked I have to say something too
As a first thing: I strongly believe that all humans are kind of voyeuristic - not only in sexual matters but also in a lot of other regards: Just take the scene where people nearly fight to have a good view of the place where something (f.x. a car crash, flooding, Vulcan eruption, … ) has happened. I'm not going to even guess how many handy cam photos or even videos are taken in such situations.
Such voyeuristic behavior is (more often than not) generally frowned upon - in some cases that may cost the lives of hurt people.
In that line of thought we have to see voyeurism in sexual matters too. (At least I do
). Nothing, absolutely nothing is bad with voyeurism in itself unless (see above).So what about voyeuristic videos on our site? As a non written rule our staff tolerates spy cam videos. Especially if it is not really clear if a "professional produced" spy cam video is really hurting people (especially those which were "secretly" (?) filmed and get their revenues for that filming).
Another line of though now comes with real amateur spy cam videos - the topic of privacy. I have a lot of problems when I get a member complaint about a torrent captured from xtube, cam4, ...! If I want to keep my videos private I can't publish them myself and complain later on about piracy or illegality - that is the same complaint like those from well known other porn studios which complain about piracy
OK - so much to my opinion about voyeuristic videos. As to a SIG (to come back to the original topic again): I have nothing against a SIG where voyeuristic issues are the topic of discussion, photos, ... ). As I said before there is nothing wrong with voyeurism at all[nb]I am the last one to criticize sexual preferences - I'm also working on our straight site SexTorrents.ru :)[/nb] - just be aware that there is a thin border between accepted voyeurism and break of privacy.
As another important requirement for such a SIG there must be sure that there is at least one member which (not only feels but) is responsible for maintaining such a SIG. See this last sentence not as a threat but as an open invitation to help us to make our family (or community if you like that expression better) even more attractive for all of us.
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@mgr:
As another important requirement for such a SIG there must be sure that there is at least one member which (not only feels but) is responsible for maintaining such a SIG. See this last sentence not as a threat but as an open invitation to help us to make our family (or community if you like that expression better) even more attractive for all of us.
Much the same as the idea I previously pitched regarding stealfire for SIG mod in the Watersports board, I'm thinking stealfire would make for a great candidate. Is such activity on a volunteer basis, or can we "voluntell" someone into it? hehe
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Is such activity on a volunteer basis, or can we "voluntell" someone into it? heheAs long as there is no fighting about that "decision"
At least none of which I have to know about :lolp: -
So I guess that means the catfight video is out of the question? :funny2:
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Wow! A catfight?! Really! No one has fought over me before! Absolutely luv it! ::)
I totally agree that the decision to create a voyeur SIG should be based on interest. Hence, the poll (which received little response). If there's not enough interest to justify the group, then that's that. We can always re-open the topic down the line when maybe there will be.
Of course we need to stay within the law. There's no question regarding that.
A problem appears when it comes to issues of morality - there is no one clear line that divides right from wrong. One example - It's no secret that most of the world finds homosexuality inherently wrong. We're all on the wrong side of someones line.
Are there really documented "victims" of voyeur videos who have committed suicide or harmed themselves in any way - or was mention of such all just "what if?" If there's no precedence then this suggested possibility is very extreme. Did Paris Hilton or Tommy Lee harm themselves when their private sex tapes became public fodder? I'm not saying it's not possible :cry2:, but come on… Anything is possible, so let's stick to the the more plausible scenario.
Much of the voyeur vids I enjoy show nothing more than a beautiful prick, maybe some nuts and bush, through a peephole. Rarely is the face shown or the individual identifiable (unless they have a very identifiable dick - and I've seen a few I think I'd recognize!). From an ethical viewpoint and/or if you're arguing on the grounds of invasion of privacy, identification ability makes no difference. If it's "wrong" then it's wrong. That said, I would suggest that whether standing at a public urinal or nude in an open locker room that you have no promise of privacy and so should have no expectation of it. You might assume that the dude standing next to you will follow unsaid etiquette and not sneak a peak or even glance your schlong accidentally, but there is no promise. True, accepting that fact is not the same as consenting to it. Nor does it justify covert filming.
I think the desire to look, for whatever reason, is part of what makes us human. Do straight guys check each other out to see how they measure up? Of course. Do women? Of course. And voyeurism as a sexual fetish is well documented. So, most of us, given the opportunity, regardless of reason, choose to peep. Where does one draw the line? If a kid came up to that peephole to piss, would I look? Nope. Not only would that be of no interest to me, it trespasses my personal line of right and wrong. Nor would I intentionally peep into someone's window. Home is the one place where we should all be able to expect privacy. But watching someone at the pisser or in the shower in person or on film, whether right or wrong, I think is harmless. There have been a few instances where an individual discovered themselves in a hidden cam video. Whether they suffered emotional distress, I can't say. I can say I've never heard of anyone harming themselves because of it. Compare these individuals to the the number of self loathing porn actors snuffing themselves daily with drugs - are we then going to forgo commercial porn?
I have a friend from the Philippines who felt this was a non-arguement. Her culture, and I can't say she speaks for everyone (she comes from a very wealthy, upper class family in a class based society), simply accepts voyeurism as human nature and that's that. Right and wrong don't come into play. She also comes from a culture where in some major cities men piss openly in the street, so there's definitely different expectations of privacy.
I know my argument is riddled with holes and is full of justification. I don't have an answer, and I don't think there is one. Ultimately, we each draw our own line in the sand separating our personal view of right from wrong. I do think this a fascinating subject and am glad we can discuss it openly and maturely.
Am very interested and open to hearing other opinions.
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Does anyone know if there is a Voyeurism SIG on other language forums? Just curious how other cultures feel on the subject.
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There's no such thing on any of the other language forums that I'm aware of. As for the whole topic of Voyeurism, just as you said, you can argue the same thing that in certain regions homosexuality is illegal. It all depends on the preferences of the viewer really, and so far there seems to be a sufficient demand for it.
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I wonder isn't VOYEURISM and EXHIBITIONISM related to one another ? People who enjoy threesome are basically Voyeurs and Exhibitionists. Some do it to spice up their long mundane gay sex life. Indeed threesome is like adding SPICE to home-cooked food. Right ?
I support a SIG on Voyeurism. BRAVO!
