Senate votes to overturn military gay ban
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By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Anne Flaherty, Associated Press – 39 mins ago
WASHINGTON – In a landmark for gay rights, the Senate on Saturday voted to let gays serve openly in the military, giving President Barack Obama the chance to fulfill a campaign promise and repeal the 17-year policy known as "don't ask, don't tell."
Obama was expected to sign it next week, although the change wouldn't take immediate effect. The legislation says the president and his top military advisers must certify that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' fighting ability. After that, there's a 60-day waiting period for the military.
[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]"It is time to close this chapter in our history," Obama said in a statement after a test vote cleared the way for final action. "It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed."
The Senate vote was 65-31. The House had passed an identical version of the bill, 250-175, on Wednesday.
Repeal would mean that, for the first time in American history, gays would be openly accepted by the military and could acknowledge their sexual orientation without fear of being kicked out.
More than 13,500 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law.
Rounding up a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate was a historic victory for Obama, who made repeal a campaign promise in 2008. It also was a political triumph for congressional Democrats who struggled in the final hours of the postelection session to overcome GOP objections on several legislative priorities before Republicans regain control of the House in January.
"As Barry Goldwater said, 'You don't have to be straight to shoot straight,'" said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., referring to the late GOP senator from Arizona.
Sen. John McCain, Obama's GOP rival in 2008, led the opposition. The Arizona Republican acknowledged he didn't have the votes to stop the bill and he blamed elite liberals with no military experience for pushing their social agenda on troops during wartime.
"They will do what is asked of them," McCain said of service members. "But don't think there won't be a great cost."
In the end, six GOP senators broke with their party on the procedural vote to let the bill move ahead and swung behind repeal after a recent Pentagon study concluded the ban could be lifted without hurting the ability of troops to fight. On the final vote for passage, eight Republicans joined the majority Democrats.
Advocacy groups who lobbied hard for repeal hailed the vote as a significant step forward in gay rights. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network called the issue the "defining civil rights initiative of this decade."
Supporters of repeal filled the visitor seats overlooking the Senate floor, ready to protest had the bill failed.
"This has been a long fought battle, but this failed and discriminatory law will now be history," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.
The Pentagon study found that two-thirds of service members didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect. But of those who did predict negative consequences, a majority were assigned to combat arms units. Nearly 60 percent of the Marine Corps and Army combat units, such as infantry and special operations, said in the survey they thought repealing the law would hurt their units' ability to fight.
The Pentagon's uniformed chiefs are divided on whether this resistance might pose serious problems.
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos has said he thinks lifting the ban during wartime could cost lives.
"I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction," he told reporters this week. "I don't want to have any Marines that I'm visiting at Bethesda (Naval Medical Center) with no legs be the result of any type of distraction."
Adm. Mike Mullen and Marine Gen. James Cartwright, the chairman and vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, respectively, have said the fear of disruption is overblown. They note the Pentagon's finding that 92 percent of troops who believe they have served with a gay person saw no effect on their units' morale or effectiveness. Among Marines in combat roles who said they have served alongside a gay person, 84 percent said there was no impact.
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Its about time that the government started taking steps to move into the 21st Century :rotfl:
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I'm glad this policy is repelled. I waited this since Obama campaign.
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Yay, good news
I imagine that at this moment GaGa is crying her heart out of happiness ::)
Step by step LGBT people are being respected a little more and discriminated a little less -
Yay, good news
I imagine that at this moment GaGa is crying her heart out of happiness ::)
Step by step LGBT people are being respected a little more and discriminated a little lessIndeed and this is what we call progress :jaj:
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Yay, good news
I imagine that at this moment GaGa is crying her heart out of happiness ::)
Step by step LGBT people are being respected a little more and discriminated a little lessIndeed and this is what we call progress :jaj:
A slow progress in the USA… Canada among other countries has had a much better equality for a much longer time
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Listen, we know we are not Canada or Europe but every little bit of progress we make is a big deal truly.
Had the Republicans/teabaggers their way we would go back in time and never change from there. I think we might even see slavery again given the chance for some of the bastards we fight against everyday here in the USA.
The USA is like a bad parent who teaches ~ "do as I say not as I do." We preach equality and human freedom but we do not deliver the same to our own citizens, just insist that other countries do to get our money for AID/Relief!!
Human rights have a long way to go here in the USA, but this was a small step in the right direction and one that was hard fought to obtain.
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Listen, we know we are not Canada or Europe but every little bit of progress we make is a big deal truly.
Had the Republicans/teabaggers their way we would go back in time and never change from there. I think we might even see slavery again given the chance for some of the bastards we fight against everyday here in the USA.
The USA is like a bad parent who teaches ~ "do as I say not as I do." We preach equality and human freedom but we do not deliver the same to our own citizens, just insist that other countries do to get our money for AID/Relief!!
Human rights have a long way to go here in the USA, but this was a small step in the right direction and one that was hard fought to obtain.
Touché
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Europe is still a continent where coming out and assuming himself as gay isn't an easy task. Even in most progressive and relaxed countries like Netherlands, Belgium or Switzerland.
The laws are the mirror of our society.
We still live in societies where homosexuality is NOT the norm, we live in society FORCED BY SUPERIOR ETHICS VALUE to accept homosexuality whether as not deviant whether as deviant-from-the-norm-but-acceptable.
In such a context, I'm not sure we have a right to critic the US action from countries where laws don't reflect citizen opinions.
And stop to blame all the republicans, there are also progressive people in this party, for example Log Cabin Republicans (who are the ones who filled the lawsuit challenging the DADT policy this summer and got a permanent injunction against this policy in October by a federal court: hxxp://www.scribd.com/doc/39202612/Permanent-Injunction-of-DADT-October-12-2010) or the 8 senators who vote the repell.
EDIT: (MrMazda 2010-12-20) - Disabled live link. Please do not post live links in the forum.
