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    Outlawing all religions (the sooner the better)

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      Matie last edited by

      @raphjd:

      @Matie:

      Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)

      Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.

      However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.

      That is so much apologist bullshit, I'm afraid.
      Stalin killed Christians in support of atheism, atheist dictators killed more people than religion has in its entire history. I'm against evil dogmas being imposed on people, whether religious or non-religious. The fact is, atheism can be abused just as religion has been. I wouldn't want a world shaped and controlled by people like Dawkins or Sam Harris, just as I wouldn't want to return to rule by Popes. And before you return to your (rather conventional) twisty turny 'logic' and absolving of atheists, Sam Harris has written that he favours the idea of killing those with 'bad beliefs' (I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he has written).

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        Darth117 last edited by

        Policing thought is never a good idea. What will work however is simply granting wider access to information and insuring the populace is taught at a young age to be curious. Curious people ask questions and the most dangerous thing to any religion is an inquisitive perosn. The second someone honestly examines their faith is generally the beginning of the end.

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          raphjd Forum Administrator last edited by

          @Matie:

          @raphjd:

          @Matie:

          Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)

          Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.

          However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.

          That is so much apologist bullshit, I'm afraid.
          Stalin killed Christians in support of atheism, atheist dictators killed more people than religion has in its entire history. I'm against evil dogmas being imposed on people, whether religious or non-religious. The fact is, atheism can be abused just as religion has been. I wouldn't want a world shaped and controlled by people like Dawkins or Sam Harris, just as I wouldn't want to return to rule by Popes. And before you return to your (rather conventional) twisty turny 'logic' and absolving of atheists, Sam Harris has written that he favours the idea of killing those with 'bad beliefs' (I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he has written).

          It's a lie to say that Stalin killed for the sake of atheism.  He killed anyone who opposed the absolute rule of the government.

          If the church followed what Jesus says in the bible ( "render unto Caesar" ) they probably would have been left alone.

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            Matie last edited by

            Stalin killed believers in order to propagate atheism, but also to foster his own cult of personality. Churches also killed in order to propagate their own power. Its true that Jesus forbade any killing of any sort, so the churches are guilty of rejecting the words of Jesus.

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              porkyV2 last edited by

              i agree that bronze age mysticism should no longer prevail in our time and in the future of humanity. it had it's purpose both good and bad. what we need now is to move on away from all outdated and debunked beliefs, stop listening to people who claim that god talks and works through them, and throw away the hate taught by religion. let us start making a more progressive world with real progress and a more enlightened society.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL–1Z_g4DE

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                aestuans last edited by

                While I cannot condone outright refusing people the right to decide for themselves, I do think that, in its current incarnation, religion is inherently a tool to create arbitrary social divisions. I agree with Darth117 that the best course of action is simply to inform the populace, and let religion die a more natural death.

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